Naidu: stop blowing ur trumpet

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ok ZC, who do u think is a good alternative to Naidu as CM of AP?



YSR?



..and plz dont say "eunuchs"....only "100%" man or woman...since there're no serious eunuchs in fray!

[ZC]

Jaya Prakash Narayan of Lok Satta

[ZC]

this is from my post on Mar7th

AP is not developing bcoz of Naidu and he neednt claim credit for all developments that are happening and blow his trumpet for the small things he does. when MM says 40% of software people in US are APites, they will be there whether Naidu is the CM or some other guy is the CM. It is only Naidu's luck that he came to power at the time when software is booming, just as many who did certificate courses in NIIT and APTECH in 94/95 and are working/become managers in the sector. The managers will stay on, we have to wait and see when the people of the state will realize that he is no better than any other guy. probably people have to realize that, desa`mante Naidu kaa`doi, desa`mante manushu`loi. i hope u got what i am trying to say.

now, it deosnt really matter whether, YSR/Naidu....... anybody for that matter becomes the CM, coz all are equally bad. JPN i said for the future. JPN Zindabad

[azazel]

Lok Satta active in A.P?

havent heard the name JPN much

would still vouch for Naidu man, YSR+Congress look like idiots to me..

n the rest r atleast as bad if not worse

[ZC]

Lok Satta active in A.P?
havent heard the name JPN much
would still vouch for Naidu man, YSR+Congress look like idiots to me..
n the rest r atleast as bad if not worse

that makes me ask, r u from AP

[BB]

Ok ZC. Enough bashing Naidu more than you know him. A matter of fact naidu is one of the most hard-working politician. That is why even big corporate clients praise him and consider sort of role model for themselves(like Anil Ambani who recently spoke at ISB annual function).

By "Hard-Work", I mean real useful hard work and not any other useless thing. No politician has information abt his state (or constituency that he has influence of) as much as naidu. People like you should introspect and understand why we are 5th in software exports and not 1st. It is because you dont have confidence in your own people even is figures are out. Do you know how many educated people(with rationale) would vote for naidu if he stands in Bangalore. People of AP from earlier are lot involved in politics and feel they can bash up anyone for anything because all his predessesors were useless. This should change. If it were not for Naidu Ramalingaraju would have shifted satyam to Bangalore or chennai(where every year computer Engineers are thrown out as dust). Naidu recognized this thing also and tried to open up Engineerig colleges all over AP. But as i pointed out earlier many people who wouldn't know anything about economics(YSR + cong) would be up in arms to protest saying they were worthless and instead focus on providing free Electricity so that farmers can be poor and always lying around in hospitals and running around politicians for anything they want in life. Look how much has HYD changed since 1999. Leave the first 4 yrs of Naidu. Most of the things he did then were useless. But after 1999 he did splendid work which was carried out and advised by much intelligent (more than me and you).

[BB]

You know he attends World Economic forum every year(not because he buys his ticket but WEF selects people for its meeting). Economic matters such as ELectricity and subsidy are not for people like YSR or JPN or some nothing "much" to do but cry people from LokSatta. Corruption is one big thing and simply by shelling out names of politicians who are accused cannot solve corruption issue. Politics are not dirty and neither are politicians. It is people who are dirty who cannot even elect good politicians(obvious reference to caste and minority politics). Let's all realize before it is too late who is good and better(even if he is bad). We do not have a better CM but we have the best CM.

[BB]

Hyderabad Rules!! why??? Any Idea?

[ZC]

time will tell. It doesnt make much difference if Ambani praises him or Bill Gates pats his back, they would for their own interest even if there was another CM, coz AP`ites are the max number of people in USA and in Software (as i said, Rao Remala is from REC Warangal and Bill would listen to him) ............. and Reliance has huge deposits in Krishna-Godavari basin..............its simple dude. thats y i say, Naidu or some other guy, all are equally bad and AP would still be in the same state as it is rt now...........as u said, until 1999 Naidu didnt do anything (he came only in 95-96...........but by them Satyam had its roots firmly in HYD (even by 95), so how did u say that.............Naidu helped Satyam ?? or anyother company for that matter?...............nobody need to claim that they have done anything excellent......if someone has done anything for the country (we are reeping the benefits now, and politicians r blowing their trumpet)............its Man Mohan Singh.....the then Finance Minister

[BB]

Ofcourse who denied Manmohan Singh. He was the one who started liberalization in India. But to falsely praise CBN he could have done it at any election meeting and then CBN would have been more impressed and given him more authority over gas fields but he told that to students of ISB which will not increase CBN electoral chances much to impress him. ISB is truly a World class institutuion and people of hyderabad definitely should know how it was set up in Hyderabad and not Mumbai (financial city) or Bangalore (Entreprueners city). It was purely because of CBN and see what ISB will have to offer.



The actual Story....

When industrialist were mooting to set up ISB in India....

1. They first approached Mumbai and Shiv sena asked how much reservation for maharashtrians

2. Then they went to Krishna and had to wait for four long hours after their scheduled appointment to discuss it. They dropped out of Bangalore.

3. They went to Chennai and jayalalitha and Co. were angry that those industrialist din't bring garland to show off her respect to her.

4. Finally just before they wanted to drop this idea of ISB and they arrived in Hyd where chandrababu was waiting for them at the proposed meeting site and gave them a power-point presentation and then handed out the eating plates himself.



ISB is considered one of the biggest coup of CBN and surely that is why Ambani has considered CBN as one of the creators. I din't mean to say that CBN did nothing for IT in state before 1999 but his economic policies were not that useful and not well concieved. Thats all! You seem to be a socialist completely against capital ideas. But let me tell you one good truth about human behaviour and socialism as they say it everywhere:



If you are a young and have never been socialist then you have no heart and if you are growing older and still stick to socialism long then you have no brain. Why not we Indians(specially APite) think that there are no politician who thinks of there well being. As my Uncle put it (a AP government employee and strong supporter of Congress obviously fed up with babu making frequent visits and checking their functioning and worried abt their jobs because he will fire them if they dont work) whatever babu does there he does it for his personal gains. Phew!! It makes me think there is so much laziness and bitterness in people. Often these things make me undrstand why India is not developed even after 50 yrs of functional democracy. The answer is right with you!!!

[azazel]

Sign in Govt. office: Plz dont make noise!

someone added to that: else we might wake up..



guess that sums it all up

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.....if someone has done anything for the country (we are reeping the benefits now, and politicians r blowing their trumpet)............its Man Mohan Singh.....the then Finance Minister

i agree with u...he started off the whole liberalization thing.



but have u seen his statements now? he's critisizing the center's economic policies tho they r just carrying on what he started, tho at a faster rate.



another good academic lost in the political swamp!

[ZC]

another good academic lost in the political swamp!

Mera Bharat Mahan...............

[azazel]

another good academic lost in the political swamp!

Mera Bharat Mahan...............

sab ganda hai par dhanda hai ye ..

[BB]

I've never heard him going against centre's policies. This is news to me. But I know one thing that he is pressurizing centre to do more like he wanted a more elaborate Data Protection laws for IT. And he asked centre to take up more miro irrigation projets. However, I dont deny your observations too but it is always desirable for a strong civil society in a democray. You know what I thought the best part of his administration more that IT, BT, ISB and IIIT, and vertialization of APSEB is the transpareny in governance and decentralization of power. People are actuallly able to discuss and debate state budget long before thann it is released.



Did you hear what YSR told yesterday: "If Congress comes to power you need not pay electriity bill if you have defaulted". Will this congress improve our state fisal position??? Don't people of pulivendu (YSR onstitueny) have general sense. Suh people should never be voted to power.

[Saradhi]

time will tell. It doesnt make much difference if Ambani praises him or Bill Gates pats his back, they would for their own interest even if there was another CM, coz AP`ites are the max number of people in USA and in Software (as i said, Rao Remala is from REC Warangal and Bill would listen to him) ............. and Reliance has huge deposits in Krishna-Godavari basin..............its simple dude. thats y i say, Naidu or some other guy, all are equally bad and AP would still be in the same state as it is rt now...........as u said, until 1999 Naidu didnt do anything (he came only in 95-96...........but by them Satyam had its roots firmly in HYD (even by 95), so how did u say that.............Naidu helped Satyam ?? or anyother company for that matter?...............nobody need to claim that they have done anything excellent......if someone has done anything for the country (we are reeping the benefits now, and politicians r blowing their trumpet)............its Man Mohan Singh.....the then Finance Minister

I agree with you that Manmohan Singh is the guy who started the Reforms.

But forming a visionary document and planning the work is not sufficient. You should implement them, review them from time to time, make modifications according to the situation and stick with them even if you have opposition.



Starting is easy , but continueing them even after facing such critismss are very difficult.

Thats what Naidu is doing. He doenst care howmany people are criticising. He is doing what he thinks is right and theoritically it is correct.

As I told you in my post "New Generation Politics", The Economic Reforms in the world is entirely a different subject involving different scientific analysis namely J-Curve Analysis, Data Envelopment Approach (DEA) and regressions and always takes time to get these things in place.



So One thing I will tell you again is "It will take some time for the benefits of the reforms and changes that Naidu brought to reach the common man. Don't elevate the short term thinking. Don't support populist schemes.”



You can’t expect a woman to give birth to a baby on the day after your first Night.

It takes 9 months for her to go into different stages, sometime very painful, sometime very sweet pain and finally she will be very happy after seeing her baby even after having so many painful days.



Economic reforms also would be passing these many painful steps, some difficult, some easier, some more difficult stages. We should be patient enough to get the best out of these reforms.



This is a very dangerous and important period and if the reforms won't be continued now, our position in the world will be under threat as a fastly growing economy which can challenge most developed states.



Hello users, visit my discussion and particpate with your views

http://www.fullhyderabad.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?p=41000

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...."It will take some time for the benefits of the reforms and changes that Naidu brought to reach the common man.....

thats been my thinking too, tho i am not familiar with the economic theory and processes u talked abt. when Naidu talks abt Vision 2020, it means that it cud take that long for everything to fall into place and benefit all.



if he was just targetting the next election, he cud've well prepared a Vision 2004 document, like those useless Nehruvian Five Year Plans.



i think its creditable of him to plan upto 2020 when most politicians cannot see beyond 5 or 6 years upto next elections.

[azazel]

good point bhanje

[BB]

Yes I too think saradhi has a very good point.

[akhilis2cool]

Phew,



I read this discussion for the first time, and it was enlightning.



In my humble opinion CBN has done a good job. People today dont want to remember the sorry state of affairs in AP b`fore CBN took over.



One major contb. he made which no one discussed here was the introduction of e seva centres all over the state. it has really improved the functioning of the state, and releived the people from the horrors of standing in Q`s to pay utility bills. Today other states want to emulate eseva.



The situation of electricity is quite good in AP as compared to the 'developed' states of Maharashtra, Karnataka. Azim Prmji once quoted:

"Here we are discussiong million dollar contracts with MNC`s and the power goes off 3 times in 1 hr!!" He was referring to karnataka. As far as maharashtra is concerned its condition is even worse. There are regular power cuts every week in the name of load shedding. Thats not the case here in AP. But it used to b like that b`fore CBN. Bihar ke baare mein jitna kam bola jai utna achcha.



I guess the only area we lack in is the agricultural sector. though we produce good amt. of rice, when it comes to other crops (cotton etc.) we are not able to provide adequate facilities to the farmers. Punjab is the best in this sector.



Wait for the pharma sector to go into the boom phase and AP will be second to none, may be Gujarat will b slightly ahead.



In the IT sector as well AP is doing very well. Remember Computer Associates, the worlds 3rd largest software firm is setting up office in hyd. Motorola will be following soon.



OK some unfortunate incidents did happen in his tenure (especially the sufferings of the farmers), but that is the case all over the country (except punjab).



I strongly encourage discussnig topics like this one. Thanks ZC for introducing it. Thanks all for carrying forward without much of a deviation.

Let us keep it going.

[Saradhi]

Phew,

I read this discussion for the first time, and it was enlightning.

In my humble opinion CBN has done a good job. People today dont want to remember the sorry state of affairs in AP b`fore CBN took over.

One major contb. he made which no one discussed here was the introduction of e seva centres all over the state. it has really improved the functioning of the state, and releived the people from the horrors of standing in Q`s to pay utility bills. Today other states want to emulate eseva.

The situation of electricity is quite good in AP as compared to the 'developed' states of Maharashtra, Karnataka. Azim Prmji once quoted:
"Here we are discussiong million dollar contracts with MNC`s and the power goes off 3 times in 1 hr!!" He was referring to karnataka. As far as maharashtra is concerned its condition is even worse. There are regular power cuts every week in the name of load shedding. Thats not the case here in AP. But it used to b like that b`fore CBN. Bihar ke baare mein jitna kam bola jai utna achcha.

I guess the only area we lack in is the agricultural sector. though we produce good amt. of rice, when it comes to other crops (cotton etc.) we are not able to provide adequate facilities to the farmers. Punjab is the best in this sector.

Wait for the pharma sector to go into the boom phase and AP will be second to none, may be Gujarat will b slightly ahead.

In the IT sector as well AP is doing very well. Remember Computer Associates, the worlds 3rd largest software firm is setting up office in hyd. Motorola will be following soon.

OK some unfortunate incidents did happen in his tenure (especially the sufferings of the farmers), but that is the case all over the country (except punjab).

I strongly encourage discussnig topics like this one. Thanks ZC for introducing it. Thanks all for carrying forward without much of a deviation.
Let us keep it going.

Yes, you are right.

With only about 46 per cent of the gross cropped area is under irrigation, agriculture in Andhra Pradesh is mostly dependent on rainfall. Success in agricultural production mostly depends upon the proper seasonal distribution of rainfall.



Anantapur, Chittoor, Cuddapah, Hyderabad, Kurnool, Mehaboobnagar, Nalgonda, and Prakasam are frequently affected by drought conditions due to deficit rainfall. During the year 2001, for example, Prakasam district (where the survey on drought conditions is carried out) received 56 per cent deficit rainfall during June and July. This led to a deficiency of over 83 per cent in crops sown during these months.



But Governement is doing its best to cope up with this situation.

A number of schemes executed by central and state governments are in place to safe-guard people against drought-induced impacts. Drought Prone Area Programme (DPAP) and the Desert Development Programme (DDP) are two such programmes in operation in Prakasam districts with central government assistance.



Again bad politics are making these government's work more difficult.

See the way Pulichinthala project was stopped.

It was started 18 years back, but havent came to a stage.

It is done because of opposition from Congress and TRS.



These opportunistic politics are always blocking the development.

Another peculiarity of Indian politics is for opposition parties to oppose the government on issues which it could gain popularity and to bring up popular opposition.



So opposition parties never coperated and will do with the governement in doing suh programs

[akhilis2cool]

Anantapur, Chittoor, Cuddapah, Hyderabad, Kurnool, Mehaboobnagar, Nalgonda, and Prakasam are frequently affected by drought conditions due to deficit rainfall. During the year 2001, for example, Prakasam district (where the survey on drought conditions is carried out) received 56 per cent deficit rainfall during June and July. This led to a deficiency of over 83 per cent in crops sown during these months.

Hey

where do u get all those figures from?

[Saradhi]

Phew,

I read this discussion for the first time, and it was enlightning.

In my humble opinion CBN has done a good job. People today dont want to remember the sorry state of affairs in AP b`fore CBN took over.

One major contb. he made which no one discussed here was the introduction of e seva centres all over the state. it has really improved the functioning of the state, and releived the people from the horrors of standing in Q`s to pay utility bills. Today other states want to emulate eseva.

The situation of electricity is quite good in AP as compared to the 'developed' states of Maharashtra, Karnataka. Azim Prmji once quoted:
"Here we are discussiong million dollar contracts with MNC`s and the power goes off 3 times in 1 hr!!" He was referring to karnataka. As far as maharashtra is concerned its condition is even worse. There are regular power cuts every week in the name of load shedding. Thats not the case here in AP. But it used to b like that b`fore CBN. Bihar ke baare mein jitna kam bola jai utna achcha.

I guess the only area we lack in is the agricultural sector. though we produce good amt. of rice, when it comes to other crops (cotton etc.) we are not able to provide adequate facilities to the farmers. Punjab is the best in this sector.

Wait for the pharma sector to go into the boom phase and AP will be second to none, may be Gujarat will b slightly ahead.

In the IT sector as well AP is doing very well. Remember Computer Associates, the worlds 3rd largest software firm is setting up office in hyd. Motorola will be following soon.

OK some unfortunate incidents did happen in his tenure (especially the sufferings of the farmers), but that is the case all over the country (except punjab).

I strongly encourage discussnig topics like this one. Thanks ZC for introducing it. Thanks all for carrying forward without much of a deviation.
Let us keep it going.

Another reason for the problems of Cotton FArmers is :



http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2011/stories/20030606006512500.htm



Farmers should be well edcuated for not going into such issues.

[Saradhi]

Anantapur, Chittoor, Cuddapah, Hyderabad, Kurnool, Mehaboobnagar, Nalgonda, and Prakasam are frequently affected by drought conditions due to deficit rainfall. During the year 2001, for example, Prakasam district (where the survey on drought conditions is carried out) received 56 per cent deficit rainfall during June and July. This led to a deficiency of over 83 per cent in crops sown during these months.

Hey
where do u get all those figures from?

University of Kassel , Center for Environmental Systems Research from Germany

made a case study and submitted a report.



See



http://www.usf.uni-kassel.de/secdiag/proj03e.html





We are not interested in knowing our own state's data and so many universities are coming from abraod and oind research on various topics.

[akhilis2cool]

[quote="Saradhi

University of Kassel , Center for Environmental Systems Research from Germany
made a case study and submitted a report.

See

http://www.usf.uni-kassel.de/secdiag/proj03e.html


We are not interested in knowing our own state's data and so many universities are coming from abraod and oind research on various topics.[/quote]



Hey that was enlighntning. we need to keep this going. Please let me know when ever u get a peace of information like this.



As for he desire of people ti know abt. the state, I agree that in general there is no awareness among people about these issues. But what can we do? no news paper carries a regular up date on issues like these.