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Postby lonewolf » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:33 am

Indian docs work in UK McDonald’s

Hyderabad, Oct. 16: All is not well for Indian doctors dreaming to make it big in the United Kingdom. The stark realities on how top medical talents from India are struggling to find a foothold in the UK was highlighted by a group of UK doctors of Indian origin in the VIth International British International Doctors Association (Bida) conference.

Prospective doctors have been forced to work at McDonald’s outlets and various garages in London even after qualifying the required tests, according to doctors at the conference. About 1,000 junior doctors from our State and about 20,000 from the country appear for the Professional Linguistic Assessment Board (Plab) test to earn eligibility for training and work permit in the UK every year, but most of them do not manage to find medical jobs.

Representative of Junior Doctors Association of the United Kingdom P. Raghu Ram says, “The problem is that the General Medical Council of the UK can only recruit 15,000 doctors, but, there are over 35,000 to 40,000 aspirants. Moreover, most Indian doctors spend time in libraries during their internship to qualify the Plab test. However, when they reach the UK they are found to be short of hands-on experience.” According to the figures available with the Bida, there are about 5,000 unemployed doctors in the UK and 70 per cent of them are Indians.

“I know a qualified doctor who is presently working at a McDonald’s outlet in London. He chooses to stay in Britain and do odd jobs rather than return to India,” said Dr Umesh Reddy who has been practicing medicine in Bury. President of National Board of Examinations under ministry of health and family welfare A. Rajasekharan minced no words criticising the British government.

“The UK government is using Plab to make money by charging huge sums as examination fee from 40,000 Indians students annually. These students go abroad with stars in their eyes but they are made to face the harsh realities. We are in talks with the British government and we will bring about changes in the system,” he said Dr Gopalkrishna Reddy of Kurnool said, “After passing Plab, I was devastated because I did not get a job for over a year. I had to spend about £15,000 from my own pocket. then, I decided to come back to India and today I am running successful practice.”
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Postby HH » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:45 am

lonewolf wrote:*****Indian docs work in UK McDonald’s

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Postby Sri » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:04 pm

Indian docs work in UK McDonald’s


Good info.But a Hard fact
This is the practical scenario
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Postby Sri » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:13 pm

... When They Can Live Honorably Amid Their Friends At Home


Who said?

How many of us (doctors) get State Government services?
Earlier Mr. Chandra Babu Naidu banned all permanent jobs. Presently the junior doctors are working on contract basis. (As BONDED LABOURERS)

Central Govt Jobs have also become highly competitive and less in number.

Private Practice is very difficult. Every street has got at least one MD or MS.

See, Some medic guys are slowly shifting their profession.
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Postby CtrlAltDel » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:59 pm

Sri wrote:Who said?

How many of us (doctors) get State Government services?
Earlier Mr. Chandra Babu Naidu banned all permanent jobs. Presently the junior doctors are working on contract basis. (As BONDED LABOURERS)

Central Govt Jobs have also become highly competitive and less in number.
firstly why depend on govt for jobs? where will the govt get money to pay salaries if they start employing 100s of people? u wud also protest if they increase taxes to pay salaries to govt. employees.
Sri wrote:Private Practice is very difficult. Every street has got at least one MD or MS.
maybe but u have to make an effort to find a locality with less or nil doctors. till date i have not seen or heard of even one unemployed doctor. since u seem to prefer govt service, i am sure u would not mind serving in rural areas. why not start yr own practice in some medically deficient rural area along with like minded doctors...? u might earn good name and maybe an award or two, too. :D
Sri wrote:See, Some medic guys are slowly shifting their profession.
if they are, its a shame...:(
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Postby Sri » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:12 pm

if they are, its a shame...

Controller GARU,
THE JUNIOR DOCTORS ARE REALLY IN A SHAMEFUL CONDITION.
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Postby CtrlAltDel » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:16 pm

Sri wrote:
if they are, its a shame...

Controller GARU,
THE JUNIOR DOCTORS ARE REALLY IN A SHAMEFUL CONDITION.
why? what hapnd? are they not being paid? or is it anyother trouble?

anyway...what is this concept of 'junior doctor'...? is it another term for 'house surgeons' or 'interns' or 'trainees'...?
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Postby Sri » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:34 pm

is it another term for 'house surgeons' or 'interns' or 'trainees'...?


MBBS is for four and half years.
Internship (House surgeon) is for one year.

After finishing these five and half years period the concerned universities give us the MBBS Degree certificate.

After getting the Certificates, usually the young doctors try for postgraduate education like MD, or MS etc.
THEY try…try…try…keep on trying for MD/MS.

They don’t get employed during this study period.

Mean time they write the Public service commission exams for the government jobs.

A person who has neither got permanent government job nor the specialty ia always called the junior doctor.

Even at 40 year of age if you are
Not a specialist,
Not with permanent government job,
Not with reasonable practice
You will be called as junior doctor.

This is the definition.

Believe me people are there at this state even at the age of 40.
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Postby spamtaneous » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:03 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:
Sri wrote:See, Some medic guys are slowly shifting their profession.
if they are, its a shame...:(


since when did changing profession (due of lack of oppurtunity or otherwise) became shameful :?

in that case most of the softies are a shame
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Postby CtrlAltDel » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:26 pm

Sri wrote:...Mean time they write the Public service commission exams for the government jobs.

A person who has neither got permanent government job nor the specialty ia always called the junior doctor.

Even at 40 year of age if you are
Not a specialist,
Not with permanent government job,
Not with reasonable practice
You will be called as junior doctor.

This is the definition.

Believe me people are there at this state even at the age of 40.
i'll say most of these so called 'junior' doctors invited it upon themselves. until they get out of this mentality of 'government job' this will continue. they have to think of self employment without depending on govt to do everything for them.

from what i understand from your post, it is not mandatory to do govt. service. in case they miss out on a govt job, these docs can as well start their own practice in rural areas or atleast among the urban poor. they wud get good experience too. i refuse to believe that a doctor with his or her own clinic would fail to get patients. India has not reached that level yet in health issues :) .

they shud take Naidu's ruling abt junior doctors as an opportunity to start soemthing on their own. and whats wrong with contract govt jobs? at least they wud earn something. they are simply worried they wont get pension n other benefits of a govt job...thats it (exactly the same reason why govt employees protest against privatization).

there is a big world of sick people waiting out there for these doctors...a great opportunity to earn some money as well as valuable experience.
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Postby CtrlAltDel » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:32 pm

spamtaneous wrote:since when did changing profession (due of lack of oppurtunity or otherwise) became shameful :?
not for medicine, man! :shock: after slogging 5 yrs to get an MBBS, not treating ppl is a real shame...
spamtaneous wrote:in that case most of the softies are a shame
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Postby Sri » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:59 pm

after slogging 5 yrs to get an MBBS, not treating ppl is a real shame...


Sorry, CAD
Still you are not understood the scene.
Even in villages people started preferring an MD/MS qualified doctor long ago.
There is no stand for MBBS now.
Don’t think I am too pessimistic.

Kindly discuss in person with an MBBS qualified fresh medic.
You will come to know the true fact.

I am asking you one question?
You have always preferred a paediatrician for the treatment of your child?
Why did not you take your child to a MBBS doctor?
Why did not you give the opportunity to a MBBS doctor?
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Postby CtrlAltDel » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:02 pm

my rant was not aginst MS or any degree...it was against depending on the govt for jobs...
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A Doctor's Career Forty Years Ago ...

Postby HH » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:44 pm

Thank You, "lonewolf", "Sri", "C-A-D" & "spam"! ... For Keeping The "FH Medic Forum"


A Doctor's Career Forty Years Ago ...
# Forty years ago, a Doctor who did MBBS & DO ... Set up Practice at a place near his home village / 'not yet a town' ... in the coastal area - It took almost 24 Hours to reach this place from the main railway line, one had to go by bus, ferry, boat across "islands" ... His relatives, more after his marriage, frowned upon his action ... The Ideal was to go ABROAD "UK / USA" ... go to the Big Cities ...
# For surrounding 60 Villages, this Doctor helped with General Medical treatment as well as Eye Care ... He was good and kind with his patients.
# He is admired and respected ... He ventured to help his fellow villagers by leading the Gram Panchayat ... He honoured Scholars through annual meetings (Recently, I had the good fortune to attend one such occasion just before Heavy Rains Hit that area ... Seeing in awe the respect he was given by the people as well as the Scholars).
# Truly, An Inspiring Doctor to the younger medicos as well as other Professionals.
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The Good Doctor ...

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STEPPING OUT of his screen persona of a hero, actor Dr. Rajasekhar played the role of a Good Samaritan on his birthday (February 4), which also happened to be World Cancer Day. Accompanied by his wife Jeevitha, Rajasekhar inaugurated a free cancer detection camp organised by Yashoda Hospital in association with Lions Club, Secunderabad. Incidentally, as part of the inauguration, the actor `examined' a patient. Later, he and his wife distributed fruits to the in-patients.

About 200 patients were screened in the camp. Dr. G. S. Rao, executive director, Yashoda Hospital, Lion Sunil Bantia, chairman, Lions Club of Twin Cities, Dr. M. Babaiah, director, Yashoda Cancer Institute, and a team of oncologists, gynaec and ENT specialists participated in the camp.

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Tarot, Freud, and The Wise Doctor from Zurich

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It is estimated that over 400 systems of psychotherapy now occupy the bustling stalls of the robust psychotherapy marketplace. To date, however, no single system has been proven significantly more effective than any other.1 While this fact will likely be challenged by individual careerists invested heavily in their own hard-fought access to “the right view”, the simple truth of therapeutic heterogeneity suggests that when properly adhered to, therapeutic value is probably lodged in most if not all psychological points of view. Whereas the integrationist or eclectic therapist finds this fact confirming and freeing, many professionals greet such news as might a narcissistic child being told by his father that he loves all his children the same. “But aren’t I more special, Papa?” ...

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Nature Cure or Naturopathy

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Nature Cure or Naturopathy

Nature Cure is so simple easy and cheap.....this system of treatment should be used. -Mahatma Gandhi

Nature never did betray the heart that loved her.

Naturopathy is a system of medicine aimed to diagnose and treat any human ailment, pain and injury through the use of natural elements, mainly 5 in number – Space, Air, Fire, Water and Earth

Naturopathy believes that all forms of disease are due to the same cause, that is, the accumulation of waste materials and toxins in our bodies that are steadily piling up.

Nature cure believes that disease is one , its cause is one and so its treatment is one.

How do the waste materials pile up?......

* Natural means – Our body is made up of cells, some of which continuously die and are replaced by new ones. The old dead cells are foreign material to the body and need to be eliminated. In addition, processes of the living cells also generate toxic wastes due to metabolic reactions.

* Unnatural means – Wrong ways of life also cause production of excess toxins.

* When these toxins are not eliminated at a reasonably fast rate, a diseased condition is created.

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the medic's view.

Postby Reality. » Sun Dec 18, 2005 1:51 pm

CtrlAltDel wrote:
Sri wrote:Who said?

How many of us (doctors) get State Government services?
Earlier Mr. Chandra Babu Naidu banned all permanent jobs. Presently the junior doctors are working on contract basis. (As BONDED LABOURERS)

Central Govt Jobs have also become highly competitive and less in number.
firstly why depend on govt for jobs? where will the govt get money to pay salaries if they start employing 100s of people? u wud also protest if they increase taxes to pay salaries to govt. employees.

This is a very late reply but since i dint see this post before I am replying to it now.
I agree with what Sri says. The plight of doctors is pathetic in india and in A.P in particular.
Let me give you a scenario and try to make the situation a little clear.
Imagine a guy who slogs his butt off during his intermediate to get into a medical college, considering that there are about a 1000 seats for the 50 odd 1000 aspirants.( these are the merit seats i am talking about ). Imagine he survives that and gets into a medical college , survives medical college and graduates after 5 and 1/2 years. Now he is fresh out of college with a MBBS degree in hand. what do u think are the job prospects ? Okay ,, if you dont know let me tell you.

government service - very competitive after all the various quotas, and i dont know about the pay coz i knew anyone in government service at the entry level.
private practice - in urban areas , its practically impossible. you make no money and your potential for growth is minimal.
In rural areas - The returns are too less to compensate for the difficulties associated with living in a rural area like lack of electricity, to lack of internet, lack of entertainment facilities to just name a few.
working in corporate hospital - they pay Rs.5000 a month for a fresh graduate, working 6 day weeks with night shifts.
working in a medical college - as faculty in basic science departments as tutors they get around Rs.10,000 a month with growth prospects veryyyy slow. typically increments are rs.500 a year and you dont get promoted as you are just an MBBS.

Do you what the best job is for a fresh medical graduate?
Medical transcription - typically starts at around Rs.8000 and can improve depending on much you transcribe.

So the best paying job for a fresh med graduate is one which is totally not connected with treating patients and the next best option is also one which involves no patient contact.

so what do you expect?


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Sri wrote:Private Practice is very difficult. Every street has got at least one MD or MS.
maybe but u have to make an effort to find a locality with less or nil doctors. till date i have not seen or heard of even one unemployed doctor. since u seem to prefer govt service, i am sure u would not mind serving in rural areas. why not start yr own practice in some medically deficient rural area along with like minded doctors...? u might earn good name and maybe an award or two, too. :D
Sri wrote:See, Some medic guys are slowly shifting their profession.
if they are, its a shame...:(


Its not a shame for anybody choosing a career which helps them lead a comfortable life. If a person realises that after slogging for 5 and 1/2 yrs he is not able to take care of his family , it is not a shame or disgrace if he decides to find an other source to make life better. he doesnt need to suffer for a mistake he did when choosing an unrewarding profession ( financially).
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The Real Plight Of / Prospects For Medical Graduates ...

Postby HH » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:38 pm

Reality. wrote:*****...
This is a very late reply but since i dint see this post before I am replying to it now.
I agree with what Sri says. The plight of doctors is pathetic in india and in A.P in particular.
Let me give you a scenario and try to make the situation a little clear.
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Its not a shame for anybody choosing a career which helps them lead a comfortable life. If a person realises that after slogging for 5 and 1/2 yrs he is not able to take care of his family , it is not a shame or disgrace if he decides to find an other source to make life better. he doesnt need to suffer for a mistake he did when choosing an unrewarding profession ( financially).


[i]Thank You, "Reality." ***** For Sharing With Us The Real Plight Of / Prospects For Medical Graduates ... I saw This Medico Trying To Set Up Practice In A Mulgi On the Main Road ... Within Three Months He was out Of India ... To Middle East ... To Iraq / Iran ... Who Seem To Welcome Our Medicos ... [/ib]
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Tai Chi Might Help Battle Rheumatoid Arthritis

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Tai Chi Might Help Battle Rheumatoid Arthritis - Linda Marsa / Tribune Media Services

Tai Chi may help Rheumatoid Arthritis sufferers.

Researchers at UCLA are investigating whether the ancient Chinese martial art can relieve symptoms and improve mobility, helping patients lead a relatively normal life.

"Tai Chi combines both relaxation and mild physical exercise, which gets patients moving but in a gentle way," says Perry Nicassio, a psychologist at UCLA who is conducting the research.

Rheumatoid Arthritis is an autoimmune disorder that affects about 2.1 million Americans -- the majority of sufferers are women. The illness usually causes aching, throbbing or stiffness of the joints and muscles, fatigue, low-grade fever, and a general sense of not feeling well.

Because they are in chronic pain, sufferers often have trouble sleeping, making them tired, depressed and irritable. They also tend to be quite sedentary, leading to a loss of strength, mobility, balance and endurance, all of which are vital for life's daily activities. Eventually, even opening a jar or walking can be difficult.

"Their symptoms trigger a self-perpetuating cycle that leads to a downward spiral in their functioning," says Jennifer Pike, a psychologist at UCLA's Neuropsychiatric Institute who is involved in the tai chi studies.

Recent research indicates that tai chi can preserve range of motion in people with rheumatoid arthritis, which could in turn reduce disability.

And a 2003 UCLA study demonstrated that a modified form of tai chi, known as tai chi chih, boosts the immune system's response to a common virus and prevents outbreaks of shingles, a skin condition that most often strikes the elderly.

Two ongoing UCLA studies also are evaluating whether tai chi chih can increase mobility in rheumatoid arthritis sufferers.

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Health Care - India Visit

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Few people have serious health problems when they visit India. If you are careful about the water you drink and what you eat, and stay in reasonably clean hotels, you have a good chance of remaining healthy. The list of potential diseases one can contract can seem frightening, but most people will not encounter anything more than an upset stomach.

There are many qualified doctors in India, especially in the larger cities. It is important to see a doctor immediately if any serious disease is suspected. A good doctor in India will often be better than a doctor in your home country, because Indian doctors are experienced in treating tropical diseases.

There are many health risks in India that would not normally be encountered in Europe or North America. Also, there are still diseases common in India that are rarely found in Western countries. Therefore, protective vaccinations could be considered. ...

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