Reservation for Muslims an injustice to Hindus

[chander]

Dear Friends,



I am posting this on the forum to express outrage and anger at the AP Government's decision to give quotas to Muslims in education and jobs.



I don't understand why Muslims should be given this special treatment? They are many poor people in Hindu community and who have no other benefits. This move reduces their chances to earn their livelyhood and education.



In India Muslims are not discriminated. They can get the jobs and education. If they apply and qualify. Then why this special treatment to Muslims at the cost of us? What is that these Muslims have done that we should give them special treatment? They voted for Pakistan and they resisted integration of Hyderabad into India. Is this what makes one special and dear to Government.



According to creamy layer concept a person with 2.5 lakhs annum and whose parents are not Class I officers can get reservation. Even I don't belong in this creamy layer. Why should I not get the reservation? They are many in my own community what about them?



Why should a average low middle class Hindu like me who is law abiding, patriotic and with limited means be discriminated like this? Why am I bei ng treated like a second class citizen?



These Muslims thieves and their cronies in Congress must be taught a lesson. I urge all the Hindus to unite and fight this injustice. You may be well off in an IT job. But there are millions in your own community who have very limited means. You have a responsibility to help them.



-Chander.

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Dear Friends,

I am posting this on the forum to express outrage and anger at the AP Government's decision to give quotas to Muslims in education and jobs.

u have a right to express outrage

I don't understand why Muslims should be given this special treatment? They are many poor people in Hindu community and who have no other benefits. This move reduces their chances to earn their livelyhood and education.

refer to the CMs speech there is enough justification

In India Muslims are not discriminated. They can get the jobs and education. If they apply and qualify. Then why this special treatment to Muslims at the cost of us? What is that these Muslims have done that we should give them special treatment? They voted for Pakistan and they resisted integration of Hyderabad into India. Is this what makes one special and dear to Government.

neone can get a lob/education on merit
why have reservations then
get rid of all the reservations
if this is spl treatment then i think 51% of ppl are spl
i think u were sleeping in ur history class
or did u attend one of the vhp schools ?
FYI this is not a hindu country either
if u feel so strongly abt ur religing u are more than welcome to leave this country and go to nepal
maybe we will see ur pic in paper someday as gunned down by maoists

According to creamy layer concept a person with 2.5 lakhs annum and whose parents are not Class I officers can get reservation. Even I don't belong in this creamy layer. Why should I not get the reservation? They are many in my own community what about them?

if ur votebank were large enuf u would have got one too

Why should a average low middle class Hindu like me who is law abiding, patriotic and with limited means be discriminated like this? Why am I bei ng treated like a second class citizen?

if u feel the need for a reservation for urself, i pity u. and i dont think 5% hurts as much as 49%

These Muslims thieves and their cronies in Congress must be taught a lesson. I urge all the Hindus to unite and fight this injustice. You may be well off in an IT job. But there are millions in your own community who have very limited means. You have a responsibility to help them.

u wont find much support here

go try somewhere else

maybe the rss conclave is the right place for u

[Lucifer]

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[Mayavi Morpheus]

They voted for Pakistan and they resisted integration of Hyderabad into India.

These Muslims thieves and their cronies in Congress must be taught a lesson.

-Chander.

may be you didnt know but those who voted for pakistan left for pakistan like 50 years back. Those who are left in India are as much Indian as you n me are, if not more.

As for reservations, why blame the muslims for it? blame the government for creating a reservation and teach 'em a lesson by voting against them.

ps: I strongly oppose reservation to muslims.

if u feel the need for a reservation for urself, i pity u. and i dont think 5% hurts as much as 49%

Fl, the 49% reservation is for backward classes, SC and ST... people who were oppressed since ages and need a helping hand to catch up with the rest. Muslims on the other hand were never oppressed... they had equal if not more oppurtunities compared to hindus owing to the muslim rule in parts of India. I dont see a comparision between the two groups.

[lizard king]

Dear Friends,

I am posting this on the forum to express outrage and anger at the AP Government's decision to give quotas to Muslims in education and jobs.

I don't understand why Muslims should be given this special treatment? They are many poor people in Hindu community and who have no other benefits. This move reduces their chances to earn their livelyhood and education.

In India Muslims are not discriminated. They can get the jobs and education. If they apply and qualify. Then why this special treatment to Muslims at the cost of us? What is that these Muslims have done that we should give them special treatment? They voted for Pakistan and they resisted integration of Hyderabad into India. Is this what makes one special and dear to Government.

According to creamy layer concept a person with 2.5 lakhs annum and whose parents are not Class I officers can get reservation. Even I don't belong in this creamy layer. Why should I not get the reservation? They are many in my own community what about them?

Why should a average low middle class Hindu like me who is law abiding, patriotic and with limited means be discriminated like this? Why am I bei ng treated like a second class citizen?

These Muslims thieves and their cronies in Congress must be taught a lesson. I urge all the Hindus to unite and fight this injustice. You may be well off in an IT job. But there are millions in your own community who have very limited means. You have a responsibility to help them.

-Chander.

Yeah Chander.. my friend.... u are right......

so what do u want this time?

guns or batons?

[lizard king]

I dont know... in my opinion, reservation in way is just to remind the the beneficiary that he is handicapped, or he is low and to catch up with the rest he needs a push. I would definitely not want to live that life of being reminded that i am lower then the others by getting special benifis. well, if i were to be disabled, like, if i were to be blind or lame or mentally unfit, i would definitely consider asking for a push, but living in independent india, where there are equal rights for everyone to go to a school, and hen to college and then get a job on that basis, i just dont see a point in looking up for a special reservation.



On the contrary, with the muslim community, i am not really sure what should be done (incase of the uneducated masses), but there has to be control over the family numbers, if the family or the country has to prosper. Education? change in religious concepts to go with the times?

[CtrlAltDel]

i believe poors of any religion need reservation to help them climb up the social ladder. this muslim reservation and the original SC/ST/OBC reservation policies dont seem to address this concern at all.

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Fl, the 49% reservation is for backward classes, SC and ST... people who were oppressed since ages and need a helping hand to catch up with the rest. Muslims on the other hand were never oppressed... they had equal if not more oppurtunities compared to hindus owing to the muslim rule in parts of India. I dont see a comparision between the two groups.

well if they are still backward after 50yrs of reservation i dont think u can call the reservation system the best way to solve the problem and creating more reservations and inducting more ppl into it is as stupid as the concept of reservation itself.

[akhilis2cool]

Well, nothing has been finalised as yet...the High Court has stepped in. Lets hope sanity prevails.

[Mayavi Morpheus]

well if they are still backward after 50yrs of reservation i dont think u can call the reservation system the best way to solve the problem and creating more reservations and inducting more ppl into it is as stupid as the concept of reservation itself.

There is no use of reservation in engineering colleges if you dont let the sc/st's to have basic education. Untouchability is still practicied in many villages and the SC/ST are so poor that they cant afford to send their children to school. Unless they are in a position to take advantage of the reservation system, reservations is not going to help. So, yes, reservation is the best way to solve the problem but create conditions such that the system can be utilized properly.



Also, the system should be modified to filter out the people who have already benefitted from reservations. If a person from a family availed reservation for his studies/job, then his children should not be eligible for reservation or some other system like dat. This way reservations can be done away with in two generations.



Coming to reservations for muslims, even though its only 5% it wil effect other deserving candidates. There is no difference between a muslim and a OC hindu, so there is no justification in having reservation for muslims. If Indian muslims are backward then its entirely their own doing and not the society's fault and they dont deserve reservation.

[Sharjeel]

Thank you to all the posters on this thread for displaying so much maturity. Sorry for the rant below...



I feel embarassed that the Govt. considers us muslims as backward and helpless people. As CAD said, poors of any religion need help, and so it is with muslims. India has always been very secular, apart from the racism and prejudice that is part of human civilisation. In fact, this may be the first time on this DB that I am having to uniquely identify myself as a muslim.



We muslims do not need handouts or alms. We can very well take care of oursleves. Maybe some other BC/BT/SC/ST can benefit from this reservation quota.



And btw, it is extremely sad that people still make silly prickly remarks about Pakistan even though it has been almost a generation since the deserters jumped ship, as Mayavi already pointed out.



There might not be many things which will totally outrage an Indian muslim (How I absoltely hate saying Indian Muslim), than to be reminded about and linked with Pakistan. these repeated taunts about Pakistan may have had a big hand in de-secularising Indian Muslims. At one time, me was also soo irritated that I was almost on the brink of kissing goodbye to my secularism, because nobody seemed to care if a muslim was loyal or not.



Please stop making Paki coments, unless you really want to read some stupid backlash-driven posts. The Paki comments are offending, period.

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well if they are still backward after 50yrs of reservation i dont think u can call the reservation system the best way to solve the problem and creating more reservations and inducting more ppl into it is as stupid as the concept of reservation itself.

There is no use of reservation in engineering colleges if you dont let the sc/st's to have basic education. Untouchability is still practicied in many villages and the SC/ST are so poor that they cant afford to send their children to school. Unless they are in a position to take advantage of the reservation system, reservations is not going to help. So, yes, reservation is the best way to solve the problem but create conditions such that the system can be utilized properly.

u are absolutely right that there is discrimination on basis of caste in the country. and i believe that the reservation system is one of the reasons. we issue cirtificates and brand the people as whatever. and dont u think that a social change is more important than an economic one first.

Also, the system should be modified to filter out the people who have already benefitted from reservations. If a person from a family availed reservation for his studies/job, then his children should not be eligible for reservation or some other system like dat. This way reservations can be done away with in two generations.

if such a system were to exist i believe very few ppl would be elibible for reservation now. but as long as we live in a democracy and the so-called under-privileged ppl are in such a great number this wont change. and the political machinary has ensured that these numbers dont go down. unfortunately these under-privileged people care less about their own communities i guess, else the number of people who have benifited from the system could have contributed to the welfare of their own communities. and the same goes for the muslim community as well. those who have made their money have moved on and have done nothing for the others.

Coming to reservations for muslims, even though its only 5% it wil effect other deserving candidates. There is no difference between a muslim and a OC hindu, so there is no justification in having reservation for muslims. If Indian muslims are backward then its entirely their own doing and not the society's fault and they dont deserve reservation.

i do not agree that a 5% reservation will drastically effect anyone. and i dont see how this can be implimented. the govt. should have worked out the feasibility before enacting it. what if someone changes his/her religion just to get a reserved seat ?



neways to reiterate the point i made before, i donot believe the reservation system has achieved even an iota of success. if this sysetm could not ameliorate the suffering of the so-called under-privileged in 50 years, i dont think it will achieve anything in the next 50 either.



the concept of reservation itself is inherently flawed. seats in colleges are given to people even though they donot satisfy the prerequisites. then they endup scoring mediocre grades and find no jobs. our ingenious system has a solution for this too, we have reservations in jobs too!! half the people working for the govt. are not qualified to do that work and then we blame the govt. for not doing its job. how can a organization work efficiently if half the ppl are incapable of performing their duties.



the main problem with the current reservation system is that, at every stage the organization (college/govt./whatever) goes down to the level of the people it is supposed to take in. there is always a different cut-off for different sections of people. and this has a bad social impact on these people too. a person who knows he is not as qualified as his peers would feel socially backward and the system by encouraging this is promoting discrimination.



the change should come from the grassroot level. why does one require a reservation in jobs? they say they dint have the privilege to go to some esteemed institution to be able to get the job on merit. why couldnt they go to such a college? coz they dint qualify some exam or dint have enough marks. why cant they do well in eamcet or jee or whatever ? coz they cant afford to pay for the coaching required to clear these exams or the institurions giving this coaching dint offer them a scholarship because they dint do as well in high school. as u can see the problem is simple. if the govt. can provide good high school education, there wont be any need for a reservation. all the govt. needs to do is spend more money on primary education and provide equal opportunity at this level. if a sri chaitanya is a 130cr company, cant the govt. invest some 50-60 cr to setup a similar institution that would cater to these people? once they have been given an equal opportunity and a fair chance, there is no case for providing reservation anywhere.

[XYZee]

The whole point of reservation, as see it(atleast as far as education goes) is that money shouldn't be a reason for lower and oft discriminated classes of the society's not receiving education.AND, in a way it was probably a kind of encouragement for parents in these families to send their wards to school or college.



But in today's context, I see reservations in urban areas are such a huge waste( now please note that I am talking of a huge percentage here).I knew people in my graduation days who are of affluent families( and I mean affluent) claim for these reservations...being girls( and that is again reservation) they paid about 10% of the annual fees that I paid!!!

[Majeed]

Mr Chander,

I am a muslim but I am not writing on behalf of all muslims, I am expressing my own views.



I fully understand the trauma that you are going through, I dont know if you are a victim of reservation or not..but I have been ..even after scoring a good rank in the competitive exam I was denied a seat of my choice because of this reservation..I know several of my friens who are non-muslim and are from the reservation catigory but they are not deserving because for generations (atleast from last 1 or 2) they have been leaving in Hyderbad and enjoy a good life style..but still they apply and get seats/ jobs under reservation category..all I am trying to say is EITHER THERE SHOULD BE RESERVATION (categarized financially not on caste or race) OR TEHRE SHOULD NOT BE ANY RESERVATION AT ALL.



If my dear friend there is a reservation, then why not for muslims, (I am not against others getting reservation..specially deserving people)..but your language about muslims ( I dont know is your own or some body has influnced it)..let me tell you it is not good...There are several muslims who are a victim of this reservation and I see this move by the govt of AP as a small step in imporving their conditions. You dont see this as a reservation to muslim(alien)cummunity, but see it as adding another category in the reservation class..who are muslims(deserving muslims).When we have 50% reservation why not 55%.



I would suggest you, instead of making such remarks on muslim, you coud organize your thoughts your energy in making our reservation system really effective or atleast start a thought process in the generations to come...

[sindhu]

Dear Friends,

I am posting this on the forum to express outrage and anger at the AP Government's decision to give quotas to Muslims in education and jobs.

I don't understand why Muslims should be given this special treatment? They are many poor people in Hindu community and who have no other benefits. This move reduces their chances to earn their livelyhood and education.

In India Muslims are not discriminated. They can get the jobs and education. If they apply and qualify. Then why this special treatment to Muslims at the cost of us? What is that these Muslims have done that we should give them special treatment? They voted for Pakistan and they resisted integration of Hyderabad into India. Is this what makes one special and dear to Government.

According to creamy layer concept a person with 2.5 lakhs annum and whose parents are not Class I officers can get reservation. Even I don't belong in this creamy layer. Why should I not get the reservation? They are many in my own community what about them?

Why should a average low middle class Hindu like me who is law abiding, patriotic and with limited means be discriminated like this? Why am I bei ng treated like a second class citizen?

These Muslims thieves and their cronies in Congress must be taught a lesson. I urge all the Hindus to unite and fight this injustice. You may be well off in an IT job. But there are millions in your own community who have very limited means. You have a responsibility to help them.

-Chander.

im with u....

cant add anything.. really well sayd...





not to mention the fact..

that...

muslims steal our petrol..



ewwww

lol



most of the muslim guys.. are... pritty non law abidin bwt..

its not our fault .. if they havent given their .. sistas equal ... status in the society .. why .. should...they be given soo much attention neways ...



ewww





actualli i think all those .. muslim collagess.. are supposed to be suspended ..

whats with them who want their own communities.. and .. blahh..



for example .. i have lives in kanpur and mumbai nad im of telugu origin ..

if im livin in maharashtra .. i cant say that .. i rock and i dont wanna go to mumbai univercity and i w want to make my own telugu .. pppl scholl

if the pakisss.. want urdu schools they should do it in their own ..

damn .. state ..

[sindhu]

well if they are still backward after 50yrs of reservation i dont think u can call the reservation system the best way to solve the problem and creating more reservations and inducting more ppl into it is as stupid as the concept of reservation itself.

There is no use of reservation in engineering colleges if you dont let the sc/st's to have basic education. Untouchability is still practicied in many villages and the SC/ST are so poor that they cant afford to send their children to school. Unless they are in a position to take advantage of the reservation system, reservations is not going to help. So, yes, reservation is the best way to solve the problem but create conditions such that the system can be utilized properly.

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heloo whoever if st sc is a prob then i guess they should .. ahve reservations .. in the villages not in the city u dum _ ... lol



if some 1 frm a backward cast come to a cuty .. no1 spits ontheir face all these dum _ .. reservations .. can be



shit when used in places like ccities..

lol im a castuual mix im of telugu origin ..



even im dark ..

i look ... darkish lol im a obc lol...



let me in ...

lol

what does that mean ...



ppl dont score less in their studies .. cos ... they belong to a perticular.. f** cast,...

ppl score less cos they dont care to study ..

and if some 1 gettin 55% marks is denied .. addmittion to a collage..

and some 1 gettin 35% gets in just be couse it belongd to the backward cast its called rasism ..





let me highlighten the though here ..





''rasism works both ways.."

[CtrlAltDel]

sindhu...i suppose a B.Ed from a reserved catagory was your english teacher

[Mayavi Morpheus]

heloo whoever if st sc is a prob then i guess they should .. ahve reservations .. in the villages not in the city u dum _ ... lol
if some 1 frm a backward cast come to a cuty .. no1 spits ontheir face all these dum _ .. reservations .. can be
shit when used in places like ccities..
lol im a castuual mix im of telugu origin ..
even im dark ..
i look ... darkish lol im a obc lol...
let me in ...
lol
what does that mean ...
ppl dont score less in their studies .. cos ... they belong to a perticular.. f** cast,...
ppl score less cos they dont care to study ..
and if some 1 gettin 55% marks is denied .. addmittion to a collage..
and some 1 gettin 35% gets in just be couse it belongd to the backward cast its called rasism ..
let me highlighten the though here ..
''rasism works both ways.."

See... this is what I was talking about. With a reservation for retards, sindhu, the babe with a bum, would have gotten an education and would have learnt to write proper english.

Reservations may not be the permanent solution, but the sure get the job done.

[lonewolf]

sindhu...i suppose a B.Ed from a reserved catagory was your english teacher

You said what I wanted to say

[EASY]

Hi. All u guys who feel reservations for muslims are an injustice to hindus are fit for a mental Asylum. Who do you think the present reservation system benefits? ONLY hindus. Not a single muslim, christian, sikh has ever benefitted. You have been getting over 50% reservation of all admissions, jobs and promotions in India as well as discounts, waivers, write-offs be it in fees or medical expenses or travel since independence. Moreover, you also take nearly 70-80% of the rest of the open category due to your sheer numbers in each & every field mentioned above and more. Muslims especially have been at the receiving end due to all this communalisation & discrimination. Now, if only 5% is being given back to muslims out of what legally & rightfully belongs to them anyway, why are you afraid & paranoid? Why cant you take it like men? Shame on you.!!

[Mayavi Morpheus]

Hi. All u guys who feel reservations for muslims are an injustice to hindus are fit for a mental Asylum. Who do you think the present reservation system benefits? ONLY hindus. Not a single muslim, christian, sikh has ever benefitted. You have been getting over 50% reservation of all admissions, jobs and promotions in India as well as discounts, waivers, write-offs be it in fees or medical expenses or travel since independence. Moreover, you also take nearly 70-80% of the rest of the open category due to your sheer numbers in each & every field mentioned above and more. Muslims especially have been at the receiving end due to all this communalisation & discrimination. Shame on you.!!

ahem, do you realize that the percentage of seats left even after reservation is wayyyy wayy above than the total percentage of muslim, christian, sikh population put togather? Where is the discrimination? I dont see sikhs and christians complaining, why are you complaining?
On the contrary, if you have 5% reservation for muslims, then those 5% of seats + open category seats are available to the muslims which is unfair.
Besides, its not reservation is for those people who were oppressed since ages and all those happen to be Hindus, so why do muslims need reservation?
The logic is that the SC/ST's cannot compete and survive in open competition with the rest of population owing to social and historical reasons, whats the excuse for muslims?
Besides, muslims have minority insitituitions where they dont have to compete with non-muslims. Minority institues were allowed because reservation is not the solution for most of the muslims problems. You dont see a Hindu Minority college where only Hindus are allowed, do you?

Now, if only 5% is being given back to muslims out of what legally & rightfully belongs to them anyway, why are you afraid & paranoid? Why cant you take it like men?

Nothing belongs to a particular community "rightfully". Everything is open for competition and you have to COMPETE with others. If you cant, then its not for you anyway.

[dapper]

Last time when reservations for backward classes were increased ..I remember the huge outpour of emotions from 'hindus' ,they even resorted to self immolation all of it because few oppressed classes were having few more favours.

Now where has all the fervour gone..as soon as muslims are showered with reservations ..i dont see none of those.

Infact i think all the backward classes in hindus should support reservations for muslims. On any day muslims are far more better human beings than these blood sucking 'forward classes' in hindus.

I support reservations to Muslims wholeheartedly..

[AD]

Hi all,



This is an indian writing. Not a hindu/muslim/christian/sikh or jew.



I am surprised by how many on this forum are getting upset at what some person called 'chander' has posted.



We are all INDIANS and it is in the interests of the politicians to divide us as 'hindus' and 'muslims' - thereby creating votebanks leading to 'their personal benefit'.



Irrespective of our religions - we work 8 hrs a day and spend the evening with the family having a quiet dinner. We live in the same society and face the same problems.



A common man neither has the time or the energy to handle additional hate. Lets learn to respect all religions and look down upon those who in this chain have chosen to call the other community some names.



What is upperclass or lowerclass ? Does a upperclass bleed blue ? It was lack of education that led to the rise of the caste system where the elite decided that was the best way to permanently keep the so-created lower caste from ever competing with them.



But the people on this forum are literate. Why are you all getting whipped into a frenzy by the 'uneducated' illiterate. I request you all to heed to this Indian voice and take pity on the 'uneducated illiterate' on this forum. They deserve just our contempt and not a rational response. I for one refuse to stoop low to even converse with them...



My regards to one and all fellow compatriots.......

AD

[Chnder]

i do not agree that a 5% reservation will drastically effect anyone. and i dont see how this can be implimented. the govt. should have worked out the feasibility before enacting it.

Oh Yeah? Are you one of the Congress cronies or one of the Mushlim job and education looter.



I am not going anywhere. I was born here and raised here and I am going to fight this injustice.



What about the kids who have been denied admission for no fault of theirs?



Reservations based on religion are wrong. Who is preventing these Mushlims from participating in government or gaining admission in colleges? There are many sections, communities which are under-represented are they going on streets demanding special rights?



This is a clear ploy to loot jobs and wield power. Which must be resisted.