Massacre at Godhra - Why all this brothers? Was it necessary

[Guest]

God gave us this body to live and help others if possible. But we are doing quite opposite to that! Believe in this mankind and be kind. Never indulge in such henious games brothers. You won\'t get a single rupee out of it, but will get your shit out when you try to pain someone. India being very strong with such a large population can still be said as a weak country, because of this castism. God is one and there no two and that is true. If one does not believe in one god then he is worth to be in puke too.

Indian (by the virtue of Karta, Karma and Kriya)

[indian]

i pity the hindus (the so called majority)who cant defend themselves. i pity our relgion which cant teach us jihad or idiotic fanatcism. can this happen in pakisthan or any arab or western country ?
we should be happy for the partion ,and regret for the partion for not being complete .
if we have to pray then it would be
oh almighty we cant shout loud or make bloodshed .please spare us as we are the weakest relioous followers on this earth .

[Guest]

I agree with Indian\'s views. India is called as a weak country, because of not-so-correct-partition. Jinnah called Indians as dogs, so he was hanged as a pig in Paki (shit) itself.

[Guest]

This is a very shamefull event in the Indian history. The secularity of the society is at such low ebb that even the well to do and educated people are being swayed by communal fires. This is no time to start bickering about the past. It is time to sit and think if all this is necessary at all. Be it the killing of Hindus in the train or the slaughter of Muslims later, none of these events would be considered pious in the eyes of the almighty, whatever name you call thee. If we sit to analyze the events, it is evident in more than one instance and by more than one public/press briefings of the Gujarat administration that the administration was mute spectator rather deliberately allowed the onslaught. So there is no point in elaborating on that any more. What needs to be discussed is, should this be allowed. We proclaim India as a democracy, a secular state and any govt (state or central) is duty bound by the constitution to protect the rights and interests of all citizens. However here what we\'ve seen is a Chief minister who is more interested in explaining the background of the riots instead of informing the frightened and terrified masses of what measures he will take to safeguard their interests and stop this violence.
Indian muslims are a part of india, both muslims and hindus need to understand this fact. There is no other mother land for them but India, and by the virtues and acts of numerous Indian muslims, the patriotism of muslim for this country has been demonstrated time and again. How can then some lunatic, fringe minded group of people succeed in alienating muslims in their own homeland.
Moral education is what the society needs and people need to preach and excercise restraint. Mr. Indian, Jihad is one of the pillars of Islam, but you should wake up and realize that this is a different scenario. You need to declare Jihad here, but that should come not in the form of arms and man slaughter, but in terms of spreading humanity, morality and good will amongst the masses. A majoirty of Indian population is still illiterate, while the ones with little education just have degrees but no social values and dignity. This society is HIJACKED by sinister minded, power hungry, evils. Yes they can\'t be described as humans. They can go to any end to meet their goals and fulfill their ambitions. I would call upon my fellow indians to unite in this hour of emergency and wage a war to liberate our mother land from the clutches of these criminals. We don\'t wan\'t criminals in politics, we don\'t wan\'t people seeking votes in the name of religion, we don\'t want to be exploited by these people in the name of religion any more. We need to spread education, brotherhood and tolerance. With the ongoing events, it is very difficult to control our grief, anger and passions, but in the greater interest of the country and the coutrymen this is what is required. Don\'t liken me for Gandhi or the likes, but onsider this as a sincere appeal. By extending a hand of friendship, we won\'t be showing our weakness but would be demonstrating our strength and courage to overcome our pains and carry on with life and this would be a slap on the face for the fundamentals. Everyone is faced with hell lot of troubles and worries in life, lets not add more to that by this communal frenzy.

[siv]

I agree with Indian views.
Muslims where ever they are trouble makers.
They put their religion on top of anything,including their
motherland. Separate land given to them during partition.
Still they live in India and support Pakistan , act against India.

India is the only country in the world given equal rights to every
citizen and respects every religion.
It is not trying to force any religious things on people.
Even if some body tries , they are not succeed or will not succeed

Take Pakistan ,declared it self as a Islamic country ,
no value to minorities , no rights for them ,no minority
will reach any good position.

Take America , the christian state , respects only christian
ideology and Church is part of the Govermenent, politicians
in America talk about Bible,and its preaching , and try to
enforce on people.All these are hidden by its economic
prosperity and military might.

In India , minorities are given special rights, given much more
value to minorities.No common civil code.

Still Secular thing is not working for us , nor worked any where
in the world.

To stop all these religious violence, India better to declare
itself as Hindu Nation and Send all Muslims to Pakistan and
Bangladesh.Work on Nation progress, it has vast population
below poverty line , so much illiteracy, illhealth.
Build the Nation.

[indian]

give a damn with if its called secularism ,we dont need this kind of seculsraim . a securlist state wich riducles the majority .my foot to this the so called secular parties (the congress,sp,cpm etc )who cant even condem a brutal act of voilence on hindus but are ready to jump into resuce and mudslinging on the govt for the failure to protect the minorities .
its shame that every friday after prayers,voilence erupts .i wonder what kind of paryer thses are when they can make them use there common sense .
damn seculrism ,lets give it up ,enough of bashans and tired if being ideal secular state .lets pave for a state may be not on religion but atleast on some damn issue we all might agree .which is almost impossible to think .

[Sai]

Dear Muslim and Hindu brothers,
The issues which are to be discussed currently is to how to contribute towards the development of our sorroundings, such that we can live peacefully. This not the time to discuss whether the deaths among the Hindu community or the Muslim community is more or less. Please remember one thing. Mother earth will shed tears because she considers that she has lost her son or daughter from her total populace. She would never ever think that her dead child was a Muslim or Hindu or Sikh or Christian. Will she??? Please please control your angers and pray for peace. Please don\'t either write which will provoke nor ever raise slogans against a community. Please believe in brotherhood.

[From USA]

I disagree with those people who say that the partition of India was a good thing. How can it be good when my grandparents had to leave their home town, Rawalpindi, and move to Delhi? How can it be a good thing when so many people, whether Hindu or Muslim, had to get up and leave their homes with no belonging to go and live in a city which they know nothing about? How can the partition be good? How can it have been a good thing when so many people, Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs died? If some of you people were peaceful, freedom loving, and non-violent people, you would make every effort for communal harmony, instead of speading hate and violence througout the country like you have done so recently. No wonder India is so poor. The people of India cannot get along with each other. Why? Because you don\'t make an effort! Stop the violence, Stop accusing each other, and work towards peace. This is the only way to make progress. And most of all, understand this: The Muslims who live in India, are Indian, they are not Pakistani, nor do they support Pakistan and its two-nation theory. They do not hate Hindus. The majority of Hindus do not hate Muslims either, there are some people who do, and it is those people who are preventing the progress of India socially, democraticaly, communaly, and economicaly.

In the US, people do not care what religion you are. Everybody is free to worship whatever religion, in peace. India, being the largest democracy in the world, should be a role model for the world, instead of a country known for burning people alive in the streets! Shame on India! Shame on India!

Peace!

[Neither Hindu, nor Muslim, nor Sikh,]

I disagree with those people who say that the partition of India was a good thing. How can it be good when my grandparents had to leave their home town, Rawalpindi, and move to Delhi? How can it be a good thing when so many people, whether Hindu or Muslim, had to get up and leave their homes with no belonging to go and live in a city which they know nothing about? How can the partition be good? How can it have been a good thing when so many people, Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs died? If some of you people were peaceful, freedom loving, and non-violent people, you would make every effort for communal harmony, instead of speading hate and violence througout the country like you have done so recently. No wonder India is so poor. The people of India cannot get along with each other. Why? Because you don\'t make an effort! Stop the violence, Stop accusing each other, and work towards peace. This is the only way to make progress. And most of all, understand this: The Muslims who live in India, are Indian, they are not Pakistani, nor do they support Pakistan and its two-nation theory. They do not hate Hindus. The majority of Hindus do not hate Muslims either, there are some people who do, and it is those people who are preventing the progress of India socially, democraticaly, communaly, and economicaly.

In the US, people do not care what religion you are. Everybody is free to worship whatever religion, in peace. India, being the largest democracy in the world, should be a role model for the world, instead of a country known for burning people alive in the streets! Shame on India! Shame on India!

Peace!

[Faid]

You are absolutely right here, India is an hindu country and secularism is only on paper. You are right, we should shed the pseudo secular garb and declare what we actually are... a hindu country with a hindu government for the hindus,by the hindus and of the hindus

[Faid]

You are absolutely right here, India is an hindu country and secularism is only on paper. You are right, we should shed the pseudo secular garb and declare what we actually are... a hindu country with a hindu government for the hindus,by the hindus and of the hindus

[Secularist]

Never! You will have World War III if you declared India a Hindu country. If you want a Hindu country then go to Nepal.

[siv]

why world war-III will come if India declares it as Hindu country?
Why there was no world war when middle east and some african countries were muslim nations including Pakistan and Bangladesh?
When Europian and north and south american countries are christian countries?
Why there was no war when Tibet(buddhist country) was annexed by
China? It is all different ball game. No country cares unless their
as long as thier economy not effected.
Coming to secularism , India is a secularist country for centuries.
But we been having religious clashes , so many innocent people are dieing or effected. The so called secularists use the religion for their advantage. Why there are political parties based on religion? That is because we try to be too much secular, which these religious fanatics will not understand. Take example of Saudi Arabia , it is a Muslim Country ,but Hindus and Christians are alos living there. But coming laws they have to follow the whatever Govt proposes. If not get out of the country or face punishment. Did you see or hear about any religious clases or riots? Did you see any religious clashes in Nepal?
Did you see any religious clases in China , where religion is not reconiged ? Why the rest of the world is not going for the so called WW III with China on the name of religion.
By talking secularism , we always at talking about the problem , not the solution.The so called secularists use religion for politics when election comes.
Either declare the country as Hindu nation or Muslim Nation or
do not recognize religion .

[siv]

You are really an oppurtunist man.
If India really would have been a Hindu country, today you would have not been an educated person , have freedom to write your opinion. It is secular , everybody given equal rights, minorities have more privilages than majority.Indian Govt provieds subsidy if a Muslim travels to Mecca. Govt do not provide single Paisa to a hindu if they are going to their religious place.
Minorities reached all top position, where they are desciminated? We had President,having Central Ministers, Defence Chiefs, Cricket Team Captains were/are Muslims.
Show me any other country where minorities reached that levels?
But there are politicians who use religion for politics from both majority and minority communities.
So to avoid that ,it is better to declare either Hindu nation , or Muslim Nation or No religion nation but not Secular.

[Sun_dude]

The muslims rose to those positions coz of their outstanding abilities and perfomances. Those coveted positions were not merely handouts. By the way I am a non-resident Indian Muslim and I can proudly say that I am more loyal to India than Bal Thackeray, who often uses hundi to convert his funds to white money ( a very common story here ) Would be interesting to know where his source of income lies. Oh and Muslims are highly educated in other countries and being in India does not make them so....

[santa banta]

(brahmins = aryans = foreigners ) dont push your vedic religion on to rest of the population of India and call it hinduism. India belongs to everybody except the brahmin aryans from europe and central asia.
brahmins know they are the invaders who destroyed all local religions and populations so they spin this brahmin lie of Hinduism. look back brahminism is nothing but pronography and slavery of the Indians. and if some human is your god search for his birthplace in europe and central asia where you brahmins come from not in India.for all the brahmin efforts most villagers have no Idea who ram is ?

[pravin]

hi santa banta ,
well apart from ur wierd name i also pity u 4 ur knowledge,i mean its hard 2 bve that idiots and _ still exist in this country,plz get urself some eductation untill u get that keep ur piece of mind 2 urself coz u dont seem 2 know anything about brahmins or india 4 that matter,i suggest go drown urself

[Simbarajan]

The degreed illiterates and religious bigots in India developed their own definition for \'Secularism\' which is contradictory in nature. Look at this ridiculous concept of Indian Secularism - groups based personal beliefs have \'group rights\' and these groups are defending their rights under the garb of secularism. Nowhere else on earth is this kind of \'madness\' permitted under the garb of secularism.

[Simbarajan]

Santa Banta - you know for a fact that Aryans came from Europe or Central Asia. The prevailing \'human evolution theory\' says - humans climbed down on to African plains and migrated east and north from there. This view fails to explain the \'Java Man\' as well as the \'Peking man\' bones. As far as Aryans coming down from Europe - wishful thinking on the part of Europeans to cover their tracks so to speak. The widely accepted theory is that the European is the progeny of Neandertals and Humans.
Why are you so angry with Brahmins?. Let me ask you this - did you ever wonder why Christianity also has Holy Trinity in the same roles - Son, Father, and Holy Ghost. Did you ever wonder how come 99% of all quotes attributed to Lord Jesus were uttered by Lord Gautam The Buddha five hundred thirty four years earlier. Did you know the last of the Hindu countries in Europe fell to Christianity only in the 14th century. This country today is known as Latvania. Their language is more closer to Sanscrit than most Indian languages. You call me a fool and I turn around and call you a fool - forgetting the fact that some people are great because other people do not call them fools.