Reservation for Muslims an injustice to Hindus

[Sharjeel]

I am a Christian and I've always joined under the open category even though I studied in Christian/Catholic colleges. At college, I have had smart Christian classmates and dumb Christian classmates. The smart ones don't need any reservation at all.. and the dumb ones don't deserve to be studying along with those who got much higher marks just because they belong to the same community.
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It looks more like a sop for votes from the Muslim community, and is indirectly slighting the community by offering the reservations!

Now, here be a man! Good going Loney!



I can understand why you feel that it is slighting to muslims to be offered a reservation quota. People who believe in their own ability (or lack thereof, which is also a good thing to know) have all right to be irritated at these mock shows of support. Nobody can keep a good person down; s/he will definitely find hhis way to the top, by his own ability without any reservation.



As an aside, since this topic seems to be dealing with reservations and muslims, let me point out a fact related to the early muslim rulers. The muslim rulers, or khalifs were never chosen on right of their birth, the ruler had to be the best person available, and not just the son or kinsman.

[SeH]

It looks more like a sop for votes from the Muslim community, and is indirectly slighting the community by offering the reservations!

What else could it be brother.... u r absloutely rite.......Congrees rite from first day after resuming power post independence has been playing cheap tricks.

[DQ]

A read through the thread shows that basically everybody is against reservations.



What ever form it may be Reservations should go down the drain. Developed India does not need it. Muslim/ Hindu / SC/ BC / ST.



What do we need then.

(All the below are not out of choice.)

Over 70 % percent of our population goes to bed with either one meal or none at all.

30% of our popluation does not or cannot afford to eat fresh cooked food on a daily basis.

45% percent of our population does not have access to sanitised water.

Is this called poverty ? Yes.



Among the other causes apart from corruption is a lack of education.Which leads to exploitation whose end result is poverty in one form or another.



Donno whats the solution to dishonesty and corruption. One likely way of solving the problem of education is.



- A Quality free for all education system to year 10.

- Cash incentives all students that pass year 10.

- Instead of spending resources on a national identity card, we should have a optional national security card.

- Every Individual Indian should have a bank account (in a nationalised bank)

- Every Individual whose Income is less the Rs 50,000 or less and has children <14 yrs old should get a mandatory payment if their children attend registred schools.



Offfffff "Yeh mera india, I love my India......Khwab ko rehne do ise mat chedo"

[CtrlAltDel]

damn!!!!



something wrong with me!



i am agreeing with DQ!!!

[cowboy]

Fl, the 49% reservation is for backward classes, SC and ST... people who were oppressed since ages and need a helping hand to catch up with the rest.

Really? But the people who are using the reservations have already zoomed past us (OC - no reservations category). My dad works as an asst. manager in Andhra Bank. He's a Post Graduate (well, it doesn't matter from where, atleast in Govt. sector. It's just any PG) with CAIIB. And his superior is a SC guy who can't even understand english.



Caste based reservations are a slap on secular India. I'm all for reservations - to the economically backward people - not to the religiously backward. I know a lot of hindus and muslims who won't be needing any helping hand for the next 5-6 generations, financially. Screw the reservations and f*ck the govt. Jai Hind.

[pavan]

Why are u people getting hyper.... Reservations is nothing but vote bank politics, did 49 years of reservations uplift anyone. I think that all of us should fight against reservations. How come we forget these issues when we vote these lousy politicians to power?

[pavan]

The CM YSR is a christain and the cabinet is Hindu dominated..... why curse the muslims.

[Betty]

I agree with DQ's post....sorry for not reading and commenting on that long back



BTW, did raggs and smrithi join the board together by planning with each other or are they 2 diffferent ids of the same person???? Their language and tastes are vurrrry similar.....

[raggs]

I agree with DQ's post....sorry for not reading and commenting on that long back

BTW, did raggs and smrithi join the board together by planning with each other or are they 2 diffferent ids of the same person???? Their language and tastes are vurrrry similar.....

Aha !!!! A new detective on the block. Hate to disappoint you sis me and sim are diff.... how dare U compare her with me. I wont sell my religion for 5% muslim reservation, nor will I feel upset that an ARAB has not selected me

[Akshay]

The content of this debate is very lively and informative. We have seen pro, anti and contingency arguments.



We do need reservation. Consider the begging kids on any of hyderabad's roads, can any of us argue rightfully against a helping hand to them? Now consider the innumerous ryots and tribals across India, don't they need a helping hand to get out of their morass and stand on an equal footing in our current global village?



As far as the grievances of those who are adversely affected by the reservation is concerned, we have pivate sector available in education and business to meet the needs of the desrving among them. So our system does provide an alternative for such people to pursue their ambitions.



We definitely do need reservation, now the question is how do we pick and choose who gets the reservation. When we got our independence our leaders did what seemed right in that climate and provided a helping hand for the society which was exploited for innumerous generations. It is debatable if the help has been truly provided or appropriately utilised. I believe every action, including reservation, should be continually analysed and adjusted to meet the changing societal demands.



Unfortunately or fortunately the demands in our current democracy are driven by vote banks. Congress has always played the muslim votebank and reaped the benefits accordingly while all the while presenting a secular mask. But this in itself doesn't make the 5% muslim reservation right or wrong. Neither does the lack of proportional communal representation in bureaucracy dictate a reservation. Democracy is equal-right, not equal-representation. What one does with one's right is one's choice. Secularism is unbiased treatment, not communal upliftment. What a community does with the unbiased treatment it gets is its choice. There are certain sections of muslim society, those who coverted from the lower hindu strata, who should continue to get the reservation they used to get prior to the conversion, this doen't happen. Give a blanket reservation based on religion, albeit with with annual income limitation, is a flawed approach as it sets a bad precedent and is prone to misuse and strong resentment.

[kk]

A read through the thread shows that basically everybody is against reservations.

What ever form it may be Reservations should go down the drain. Developed India does not need it. Muslim/ Hindu / SC/ BC / ST.

What do we need then.
(All the below are not out of choice.)
Over 70 % percent of our population goes to bed with either one meal or none at all.
30% of our popluation does not or cannot afford to eat fresh cooked food on a daily basis.
45% percent of our population does not have access to sanitised water.
Is this called poverty ? Yes.

Among the other causes apart from corruption is a lack of education.Which leads to exploitation whose end result is poverty in one form or another.

Donno whats the solution to dishonesty and corruption. One likely way of solving the problem of education is.

- A Quality free for all education system to year 10.
- Cash incentives all students that pass year 10.
- Instead of spending resources on a national identity card, we should have a optional national security card.
- Every Individual Indian should have a bank account (in a nationalised bank)
- Every Individual whose Income is less the Rs 50,000 or less and has children <14 yrs old should get a mandatory payment if their children attend registred schools.

Offfffff "Yeh mera india, I love my India......Khwab ko rehne do ise mat chedo"

{quote} kk {quote} i am neither supporter of hindus nor any religion {quote} In real terms caste is the axe that politicians are materialising by using it against the society.

- Supreme court has been challenged by the most powerful and educated and heighest port folio. That is under the able hands of PM and All party leaders are simply stealing the show just on the name of Reservations to people based on the caste. Then the same mistake is being repeated in present day which they feel has been committed decades ago. Leave the Upper caste(only name they have) behind and move the lower caste(only by name). Is'nt injustice to move only one family up and up for generations based on their caste, even though they are not capable of standing in the merit even though they are well off. Suppose if tomorrow presidents spouse or children want to go for education. They will be given a seat because of their caste. What a fun. The whole world is watching unnoticeably and praising and raising hands.

All those educated should join together and condemn such illegal acts of these politicians to divide the society on the name of the caste. If really they want the society to be developed. They should follow the real yardstick of development. That is income.

Poor should be provided with facilities for education and development
and
not reservations.

If they interested in development then Merit only can move the society ahead.

[KK]

A read through the thread shows that basically everybody is against reservations.

What ever form it may be Reservations should go down the drain. Developed India does not need it. Muslim/ Hindu / SC/ BC / ST.

What do we need then.
(All the below are not out of choice.)
Over 70 % percent of our population goes to bed with either one meal or none at all.
30% of our popluation does not or cannot afford to eat fresh cooked food on a daily basis.
45% percent of our population does not have access to sanitised water.
Is this called poverty ? Yes.

Among the other causes apart from corruption is a lack of education.Which leads to exploitation whose end result is poverty in one form or another.

Donno whats the solution to dishonesty and corruption. One likely way of solving the problem of education is.

- A Quality free for all education system to year 10.
- Cash incentives all students that pass year 10.
- Instead of spending resources on a national identity card, we should have a optional national security card.
- Every Individual Indian should have a bank account (in a nationalised bank)
- Every Individual whose Income is less the Rs 50,000 or less and has children <14 yrs old should get a mandatory payment if their children attend registred schools.

Offfffff "Yeh mera india, I love my India......Khwab ko rehne do ise mat chedo"

{quote} kk {quote} i am neither supporter of hindus nor any religion {quote} In real terms caste is the axe that politicians are materialising by using it against the society.

- Supreme court has been challenged by the most powerful and educated and heighest port folio. That is under the able hands of PM and All party leaders are simply stealing the show just on the name of Reservations to people based on the caste. Then the same mistake is being repeated in present day which they feel has been committed decades ago. Leave the Upper caste(only name they have) behind and move the lower caste(only by name). Is'nt injustice to move only one family up and up for generations based on their caste, even though they are not capable of standing in the merit even though they are well off. Suppose if tomorrow presidents spouse or children want to go for education. They will be given a seat because of their caste. What a fun. The whole world is watching unnoticeably and praising and raising hands.

All those educated should join together and condemn such illegal acts of these politicians to divide the society on the name of the caste. If really they want the society to be developed. They should follow the real yardstick of development. That is income.

Poor should be provided with facilities for education and development
and
not reservations.

If they interested in development then Merit only can move the society ahead.

"kk" is already in use. Any chance of changing ur ID?

[DQ]

We do need reservation. Consider the begging kids on any of hyderabad's roads, can any of us argue rightfully against a helping hand to them?

We definitely do need reservation, now the question is how do we pick and choose who gets the reservation. When we got our independence our leaders did what seemed right in that climate and provided a helping hand for the society which was exploited for innumerous generations.

Unfortunately or fortunately the demands in our current democracy are driven by vote banks. Congress has always played the muslim votebank and reaped the benefits accordingly while all the while presenting a secular mask.

Generally I do agree with your argument Akshay. I just want to opine on a few sticky points though.



My understanding of Reservation, is maintaining a quota a limit (in whatever sector reservation applies.) for those who fullfill the reservation criteria.



Before we spew on caste / relegious lines, lets work on this. Is reservation beneficial at all. I say no.



Why?



We are a free nation 50 yrs since our independance and we have not formulated a way of resource sharing. Hence it gives the unscroupolous to play the reservation baja.



Let me clarify, reserving something for some one is not the solution today, sharing resources is.



- Lets all pay our taxes.

- Lets not go looking for tax evasion techniques

- Lets all say no to corruption.

- Lets learn to wait for our turn.

- Let the rich dig in their pockets and shell that extra bit out.

- Lets work towards a minimum protection program.

- Lets not jump on the band wagon of "Is me mere liye kya hai" lets change our mind set to, "isme desh ke liye kya hai" (20 yrs with this attitude and it will make a major change)



The increase in numbers of those with hopelessness and vulnerablity is increasing, giving rise to crime rate.

It also gives grounds to divide the community on relegious grounds.





Lets look into ourselves, look at the opinions on these threads, "Mera baap kaam karke mujhe yeh position pe laaya, mai kyoon kise ke bhale ke liye isse spend karo" I will continue amassing wealth



For every rupee you save in taxes,

For every ruppe you spend in greasing palms.

For every minute you spend not thinking about the beggar you hushed away at the signal.

For every rupee you squeeze in paying the labourer his dues.



There is a corrupt official, there is a willy religous leader, there is a sick politician making his ground.

[Mustafa Kamal]

I was goin thru all the posts in this thread..... well its shocking that educated people are falling prey to politics of religion. I personally do not approve of "doles" to any "community / religion" in any form.... but I feel that ppl like me form a small % of the vote bank for the politicians, so noone is going to pay attention.



Anyways I jsut hope that "INDIANS" stop thinking in terms of "HINDU" "MUSLIM" "SIKH" etc etc and start thinking in terms of a very large community that is "INDIA"



As far as the politics & politicians are concerned..... Well till the time INDIANS Vote them to power on religious issue's they will play their divide & rule game. The day we get smart enough to teach them a lesson that day I feel we will get our freedom.



On doubt we celebrate our freedom on 15 Aug but i feel that only the politicians got freedom that day...... The common man is still enslaved.



Previously the Britishers used the Divide & rule policy based on religious hatered even now the same practice is followed.



COME ON MY COUNTRYMEN ITS TIME FOR US TO BREAK THE SHACKLES OF RELIGIOUS HATERED. RELIGION IS A PERSONAL ISSUE. LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY. LET US THINK IN TERMS OF INJUSTICE TO HUMANITY NOT JUST HINDUS - MUSLIMS - SIKHS - PARSIS - CHRISTIANS.

[CtrlAltDel]

...we celebrate our freedom on 15 Aug but i feel that only the politicians got freedom that day...... The common man is still enslaved.

that cud be the qoute of the day!



entirely agree with yr post MK!!!!

[Betty]

I was goin thru all the posts in this thread..... well its shocking that educated people are falling prey to politics of religion. ............
Anyways I jsut hope that "INDIANS" stop thinking in terms of "HINDU" "MUSLIM" "SIKH" etc etc and start thinking in terms of a very large community that is "INDIA".......

Right MK, completely agree.

[Tom Cruise]

This is an age old problem of creating vote banks!! Bottomline, we INDIANS are being fooled by our own POLITICIANS who belong to no community and can be cheap to any extent. Take a chill pill and forget about it. Anyway today there is a cricket match coming between India and Zimbabwe, so guys pray for INDIA and be UNITED. You know our batsmen. They need our prayers!!!

[Frustrated In Hyd]

I think the reservation is given just to capture muslim votes.. This is a f'd up place,.. no one can save us Hindus .. our population wil slowly diminish as some hindus will be converted to christianity (with money and other benefits).. muslims will multipy 10 folds and become a majority ..

[fullyhyd]

India is not a place of many religions and differences, India has only 3 kinds of people

- The poor and uneducated (forms the biggest group)

- The politicians who take advantage of this fact (with so many regional parties, beleive me, the politicians in India are a considerable part of our population)

- The educated elite who are indifferent to the plight of the 1st group and the attrocities commited by the 2nd group

[b4s]

i agree with most of you....

yes we all are indians 1st and later..hindus or muslims or sikhs..ect

every one know that politician are creating all these stuff and exploiting ppl.....but we should not forget the fact that we can't change the system so easily..we can't change the ppls mind so easily.....

so i feel, wat ever the problem comes we should solve it......



i feel that muslims (economically backward) should be given reservtions in jobs ......but i feel, there's no need of giving anykind of reservations in educational institutions bcoz....there are many muslim minority colleges in india..i think that already some of the muslims ( i think, shia's..) are having reservations under BC..



if at all govt wants to give reservations in educational institutions..then they should take over all the minority institutions under their control and open them for all........there is no need of minority institutions when they are given reservations.....



we should abolish all the minority institutions and all the colleges should b under govt control.....except religious institutions ..as its the right of ppl.

then govt should give reservation's to all the ppl of india irrespect of caste /religion etc...they should give reservations to all the economically backward ppl..let them be any one...

[OsmaniaBiskit]

Couple of posts by 'Sindhu' changed me from 'anti-reservation' tilt to 'pro-reservations' - and other cribbers cribbing about SC boss who doesn't understand english - wow - if caste defines a person ability or inability than no wonder reservations have endured for 50 years. I wonder how the 'socially backward' castes would have fared without reservations. But isn't it true only the best of the lot in so called 'reserved class' get the seats. Anyways most of them are first or second generation literate so I guess everyone needs a fair chance.

[Pope Benedict Ravana]

Reservations, have achieved their goals viz., empower the have-nots. In this modern age, where cast lines are surely but slowly blurring, reservationsare not required. What IS required is a support system for the ECONOMICALLY BACKWARD.



Caste/Religion based reservation is a pathetic excuse used by political entities to further their own agenda. Bear in mind, that WE are to blame for this. The polititians are merely preying on OUR selfishness.



It would take someone with balls to cast reservations (in their present form) where they belong...the dustbin of history. Remember, this will never happen if we do not desire it. So, instead of blaming Muslims other religious groups and the underprivileged, we must blame ourselves.



Don't you see what is happenning? Why do you think polititians give a _ about education? This is because they want to retain control over the populace.So, it is our duty to contribute in some small way in making our country a better place to live.

[Whoever]

Have reservations served their purpose? Well that is a million paisa question. But unfortunately everyone is worried about their 'lost chance' than the original purpose of reservation. As long as people think, align and judge (and even vote!) by caste - Reservations unfortunately or fortunately is the only current solution to create a level playing field.

No one can argue against politicians playing this card to their advantage, but it sure does some bad and lot of good. Well that is my opinion and I am open to a debate

[Aquarian81]

Living in America, Im really not aware of the 'reservations for muslims only' situation, however I do know that a poor person in need is a poor person in need----it doesnt matter what God they believe in. Poverty does not discriminate, it comes to whomever it pleases whether you worship Shiva, Krishna, Allah, Jesus or the devil.



If I had the funds, Id help anyone in need and thats the way it should be done.

[bharatiyudu]

Hey Chander,



The post shows your deeply rooted hatred thought towards muslims. U should raise your voice and show your anger towards those people who misuse the benefits that were actually meant for the deserved. Many muslims in india are poor and live in disgusting, deterorating and ................ conditions. Thats the main cause for them to join hands with anti-social elements. I think the Govt did a good job by providing them reservations.But the officials should take the respopnsibilty and if not they performing their duties with utmost perfection atleast check that these benefits are going into right hands.